Puryear is an activist and politician, and the running mate of Gloria La Riva, the 2016 Party for Socialism and Liberation presidential nominee. Goggans is a DC-area activist with Black Lives Matter.
Goggans told Loud & Clear that, as an activist, watching police murders and new abuses every day can get depressing and really take a toll on a person, which after two years with the Black Lives Matter movement caused a lot of burnout and fatigue for many.
Black Lives Matter, as a movement, has subsequently evolved, Goggans explained. Instead of focusing solely on deaths at the hands of police, they are now focusing on the systematic racism and all problems that black lives face — from housing issues to economic ones. She explained that these types of issues factor in and lead to deaths at the hands of law enforcement, and therefore they must be addressed to begin to solve the brutality crisis.
Puryear agreed, and explained that the imbalance of power must be dismantled, as all of these systems that oppress black lives are created by real people in real institutions, all of which can be challenged.
“The real strategic imperative becomes recognizing, and I think we all recognized from the beginning, but really operationalizing this recognition-- which is, the issues of policing are intimately and really completely unable to be separated from the broader social issues and inequalities that exist within the black community,” Puryear explained.
“The change in gaining, and taking and building power comes from, number one, the belief that we can — and number two, actions towards that,” Goggans stated.
She explained that the present movement is different from the US Civil Rights Movement, in that their goal had been to reform the system — while Black Lives Matter aims to dismantle it.
“The disruptions are not just to bring attention,” she said. “They’re disruptions in that this can’t go on anymore.”
Becker then asked Puryear what the next step is, since police violence has not seemed to cease since Ferguson.
“I think we are talking about revolution,” Puryear responded. “I mean I think Bernie Sanders is talking about it in one way, but I think we are talking about it in — not a completely different way, but a much deeper way. I think that’s why we see that conversation resonating, there’s a desire for solutions that match the scale of the problem.”
As far as Donald Trump is concerned, both organizers agreed that his campaign is pushback against people fighting to end white supremacy, and is the product of “white fear.”
“A lot of the white privileges that people were given to build up the divisions in this system, which helped keep the profit machine going, are now falling apart,” Puryear stated.
“A lot of the people who had those privileges, white people, are now casting about for what to do and they’re latching on to the person who is most strongly and aggressively saying ‘yeah, I’m going to take that back for you,’ and they don’t necessarily care too much about the details.”
