'A Moral Outrage'
"The leadership and the organization, this is what it represents. So they're representing a Nazi ideology. And I mean, Ukrainian nationalism, I think, cannot be divorced from that history of fascists and Nazi collaboration and a fascist, antisemitic worldview. So it's an ugly nationalism. I mean, nationalism can have very ugly characteristics, as it's racial. And I think this is a clear case of that. And there's no reason a foreign country like the United States, citizens of a foreign country, should be supporting this ugly nationalist movement that has pro-fascist leaning, is dominated by Nazis, is a moral outrage. And it's sad that there haven't been more protests against this.'
'Tortured Justification' for Arming Kiev
Journalism or Propaganda?
"They want to underplay the Nazi connection, you know, it relates to what we're discussing before: that the [pro-Stepan] Bandera element has kind of hijacked the Ukrainian nationalist movement against elements that would favor cooperation with Russia or are supportive of Russia. And so it's giving a very misleading picture to the public. But I'm not taking that photo - because that's the reality that these soldiers on the front line, they're wearing those insignia, they are pro-Nazi. They are [pro-] Bandera. They are part of that regressive Ukrainian nationalist tradition. So if he's telling them to take it off, he's trying to protect the image of the Ukrainian Army and undercut - because, you know, it's related to the politics of the war."
US Long Supported Nazi Collaborators
"Those programs were supported by the United States and the CIA under the Operation Rollback. They were actually recruiting Nazis. Reinhard Gehlen was a Nazi spymaster who was the expert on Soviet intelligence. He ran these networks as a proxy, an agent of the CIA, and the CIA was behind these terrorists and the attacks against pro-Russian elements right after World War Two, in the early years of the Cold War."
"That's the lineage of these groups. And they, I think, have a pretty openly pro-fascist outlook. And they hate the Russians. They want to kill the Russians, and as many as they can. They set up a website where they feature their photos of Russians they kill, gruesome photos, and they're proud about this. And this website may have been sponsored by the CIA, who is encouraging this kind of behavior as they were after World War Two. And it's a pretty sad state of affairs."